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Posted 2/11/2008 7:00:26 PM


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(i think i went a little overboard with this)

I hate when fucking stupid ass people in this school do not respect the Pledge of Allegiance. In my first period class there are kids who wont stand up unless a teacher forces them too, which is sad in my opinion. You live in a country that offers so much more freedom than other countries, and you can't be thankful enough to stand for less than the minute it takes to say the pledge? Get the fuck out of this country then.

I realize not everyone is very patriotic, but damn at least stand when they say the pledge and recognize your freedom to not be patriotic.

Seriously, disrespectful pieces of shit we have in this school. It makes me sick. If you're going to live in this country and exercise your rights at least stand for the pledge without looking bored and annoyed by the fact you have to stand for the pledge.




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Post #27971
Posted 2/11/2008 7:15:28 PM


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I agree they should at least stand.



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Post #27972
Posted 2/12/2008 8:11:10 AM


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I once got stopped and lectured by a teacher for not saying the Pledge of Allegiance when I was lost on my way to class, panicking, and scared. I felt shaken up and (sort of) cried after she did that.

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Post #27976
Posted 2/12/2008 8:47:32 AM


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So here comes a long-winded rant/response...

I'm going to argue with you on this one, but my argument has nothing to do with true patriotism. My argument is based on formula vs. true intention.

For those that make a scene about the pledge, there are even more people that stand and say the pledge without any interest. It's just a ritual without any meaning for most people. Is it any more "right" or patriotic for someone to stand and recite the pledge without giving a shit just because they don't want to cause a scene by not participating? It's the same way with a forced-group prayer before a formal meal. Many of alternate faiths simply spout off whatever prayer and make the sign of the cross so as not to cause conflict.

I went to Catholic school for 13 years. Anyone could/can rattle off scripted prayers while half-conscious or even while picturing the girl next to them naked on a sacrifical altar for Satan. That's an extreme example, but my point is that most of the time the prayer was just repetition of a string of fluff sentences without any personal backing... For me and many others, church was just an extended period of sitting, standing, kneeling, and shitty music with the alterior motive of being blessed with luck in the current life and a pleasant afterlife. So is actually going to church with an alterior motive any more respectful than simply not going? Same way with the confessional repentance. I can't see the correlation between blabbering off a bunch of Hail Mary's and whatever bad deed you commited. It's like they're saying, "Don't do that sin again because if you do, you'll have to waste more time rattling off prayers instead of doing something else with your time." Like prayer is the actual punishment rather than a form of worship.   

In my opinion, pre-formulated assertions of your "personal" beliefs are worthless anyway. I don't mean that to be in any way un-patriotic, but it's just counter-intuitive to recite what you "believe" in someone else's words. I could put just as much (if not more) feeling into a salute of the flag out of respect for my American rights and priveleges without rambling off someone else's words.

Bottom line: I'm not saying you can't believe it, but if you do believe it, you shouldn't have to prove it by reciting someone else's account of "your" beliefs.

Post #27977
Posted 2/12/2008 8:20:42 PM


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you make a damn good point too there Josh




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Post #27982
Posted 3/25/2008 11:31:11 PM


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Although the Pledge of Allegiance should hold meaning for Americans who do appreciate their country, its basically said so often that it has lost all meaning. Like telling a girlfriend you love her over and over and over. Sure, you might love her, but it becomes an involuntary habit instead of an actual action with passion behind it.

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Posted 3/26/2008 1:55:42 PM


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Freedom allows for one not to say the Pledge, nor stand while it is being said. It is one of the best things about this country. It may be disrespectful, but it is a free choice.

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Posted 3/26/2008 6:55:58 PM


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